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bmerb commented on Chapter 14 on November 30, 2020 01:51am Liked

OMG this was never finished!!! Aaaaaah!! This is such a fantastic fic, I’m gonna spin my wheels forever wondering where it was all going 😫😫😫

Also, absolutely excellent, thank you!!! I’ve loved each of the stories in the Barbverse, and it looks like I’ll have to cruise on over to AO3 to see what else is in this ‘verse and the correct order!

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kassto61 commented on Chapter 1 on September 18, 2020 09:53pm

Have just read Necessary Evils again, for the first time in at least 10 years. Had forgotten how good it was. Amongst the highlights for me: Loved your character Tanner, and your poetic descriptions of magic and madness. Found the loa utterly beguiling! Couldn't believe how angry I was at Angel for his outrageous and oh-so-typical I-know-what's-best-for-you interference. I was furious! And I have to say I still don't quite understand the ending in the Hellmouth. But that's me. :-) Rich and exciting story.

Now, on to Parliament of Monsters. Loved the opening set-up with Giles and Nikki's watcher-- the tension between them over Spike, with the killers bees outside in the flowers. And your brief but perfect description of Spike and Buffy in the photo from the clambake -- perfect Spike in his union jack teeshirt and Buffy caught in motion. Makes me fall in love with them again in a few short sentences.

Pity for poor Evie, having her teeth pulled by a trophy hunter so gross, compared to a clean staking. Your Spike so full of sass and life, his old crypt now the office with a ragtag bunch of vampy misfits. I wonder how much of this Buffy knows about. :-)


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Joyce commented on Chapter 14 on July 17, 2020 10:23am Liked

That was a sort of anti-climactic ending so I will look for a sequel. Your writing is mesmerizing! Thanks!

Author's Response on July 25, 2020 08:04pm

Hi! Since you had a lot of questions, I thought I'd answer them all together. :)

Raising Ch. 3

You mean the conversation with Spike about Willow? In-story, Tara's feeling insecure about her relationship with Willow, and casting about for reasons to explain why. Out of story, that conversation was a nod to the sizeable contingent of Willow/Spike shippers who used to read my stuff back in the day, constantly hoping I'd kill off Buffy and Tara and get Willow and Spike together. That was a sort of "Look, Willow/Spike is a perfectly cromulent ship, with a lot of canonical subtext to justify it, but I have no plans to do Willow/Spike in this story. Fair warning."

Raising Ch. 4

Bloodier than Willow's spell in canon, you mean? I wrote this in the summer between seasons 5 and 6, and at the time, we had no idea how Buffy would be brought back. My thought was that a spell to raise someone from the dead – really bring them back to life, not your cheap zombie stuff – ought to require equivalent sacrifice. Even with magic, you can't get something for nothing, and there's a reason that these kinds of spells are classified as dark magic. Spike knows that; Willow doesn't want to think about it too hard, and that ends up biting her in the butt both in this 'verse and in canon, albeit in different ways.

I've seen people speculate that Tara's death in canon was the karmic payment for bringing Buffy back. It might explain why Osiris refused Willow when she tried to call on him a second time; it's not just that Tara died a natural death, but that Tara was the real price for Buffy's return, which Willow had tried to weasel her way out of by substituting a fawn for a human life. That makes a lot of sense to me, although if it was really what the writers intended, I don't think they made it quite explicit enough.

Raising Ch. 7

Willow's very intelligent, but she has a tendency to cut corners. Which is something I can sympathize with, as it's a flaw I share.

Raising Ch. 8

Spike has a lot of bad memories associated with that warehouse, so he wasn't inclined to hang out there again unless he absolutely had to.

Necessary Evil Ch. 1

When I submitted the first draft of this chapter to my betas, many years ago, one of them was adamant that I couldn't possibly start a story with a non-Scooby original character as the POV, and told me I should cut it. While I'm usually very amenable to suggestions from my betas, in this case, Tanner and his gang were going to be a very important part of the story, and I wanted the readers to be curious and (to some degree) sympathetic to them from the outset. So I felt it was important to give the readers a look inside Tanner's head, and I kept it (though I did edit it down to be shorter than the original version.) I'm sure I have lost some readers who don't care for original characters by starting the story off this way, but judging by the feedback I've gotten, a lot of readers enjoy the OCs as much as the regular characters.

Necessary Evil Ch. 3

Argh, you'd think that after fifteen-plus years I'd have found all the typos in this story, but apparently not.

The Bringer is speaking metaphorically, there – Tanner is alive in a literal, biological sense.

Necessary Evil Ch. 6

Re: seatbelts, since Spike started driving Dawn around over the summer. While I wrote this chapter before S6 started airing, it's worth noting that on the show, Spike made Dawn wear a helmet when riding the motorcycle.

Necessary Evil Ch. 8

I'm not sure about people in general, but I and my circle of friends use 'grotty' on occasion.

Necessary Evil Ch. 9

My grandmother, for one. And other people must as well, since I've seen a number of crocheted afghans made at least partially of black yarn at yard sales and such.

Necessary Evil Ch. 10

I can't find any reference to auras in the chapter, so I'm not sure what this comment refers to. Do you mean Tara being more worried than Willow about Buffy and Spike getting together? Remember, I started writing this story before S6 started to air, and this particular chapter was written well before Dead Things aired. There was no canon reactions for me to compare to, except for Tara's reaction for the Buffybot in S5, which wasn't totally positive.

Necessary Evil Ch. 11

Giles doesn't know for certain that the Council has demon servitors in Sunnydale – he's just mentioning it as an example of something they COULD have. (Giles is, at this point, not particularly trusted by the Council, and they are not likely to tell him who their informants are.)

Necessary Evil Ch. 15

I have considerably more sympathy for Dawn than you do. In the space of a year, she's lost her mother, her sister, and found out she's not even human. (And getting her sister back was pretty traumatic.) That's a lot to process at fifteen. Slamming your finger in the car door may not be as bad as breaking your leg, but it still hurts.

Necessary Evil Ch. 24

It's extremely unlikely that those are Spike's original glasses (in fact, in a later short story it's stated that they're not.) Spike just tended to steal the same style when he replaced them, because it was what he was used to.

The show never states that William is nearsighted. In fact, the show never states definitively that Spike still needs glasses at all. It's just something that some fans have deduced, from the fact that Dalton wore glasses, and that Spike has trouble reading Giles's writing. Whenever we see Spike reading a book, he's holding it at arm's length, as a far-sighted person would do, and not holding it close to his face, as a near-sighted person would. So I go with William having been far-sighted. While it's rarer in younger people, it does happen.

Necessary Evil Ch. 25

"Boccor" is a Spanish word for wizard or sorcerer.

Necessary Evil Ch. 27

The chip is treated very inconsistently on the show. Sometimes it's stated to work on intent; other times it only seems to work when harm actually results. Initially it's supposed to keep Spike from hurting 'any living thing,' but later it's only supposed to keep him from hurting humans. It's never clear how it distinguishes humans from demons, much less humans from animals. This chapter was written before Season 7 aired, and we see chipped Spike hunting rats. So at this point, I was attempting to simplify matters by deciding that the chip worked against all "normal" warm-blooded lifeforms, and didn't work against demons.

Necessary Evil Ch. 31

Tanner has nothing against Buffy. He has his own agenda, to get his people cured, and he thought he was willing to do anything to accomplish that... but he's starting to have second thoughts.

Necessary Evil Ch. 35

The First gives Willow power, but if she's doing anything more complicated than just blasting stuff, she still has to shape and channel that power via spells and rituals. And for what she has in mind, they are not very nice rituals.

Necessary Evil Ch. 37

Buffy's thinking back to the futures the First showed them, where she and Spike inevitably crash and burn.

POM Ch. 1

Well, it all tastes the same to Evie. Spike insists he can taste the difference. I suspect it's something that varies from vampire to vampire, and is also affected by the vampire's attitude – you notice that Angel always claims that he can't taste food, but when the old guy possesses him in Carpe Noctem, he eats Mexican food with apparent pleasure. So I have to wonder if Angel has some kind of guilt-driven psychosomatic anti-taste thing going.

My personal headcanon is that vampires are like a lot of other predators – they don't taste sweet things very well. Their taste buds are geared towards salt/fat/savory. So a lot of human food, particularly vegetables and anything with sugar in it, tastes bland to them. But they'd like salty, fried, or meaty food. Which fits reasonably well with the food we see Spike preferring on the show.

POM Ch. 4

Actually, if you watch Wrecked, Spike takes Buffy to the general vicinity of Rack's, but he's never able to find the door. I don't know if that was deliberate on the writers' parts, but I always thought it was interesting.

POM Ch. 7

Fandom makes a great deal more of the bond between sire and get than the show ever did. In fact, I don't think there was ever any in-show confirmation that it went both ways – Angel said he could sense those he'd sired, but I don't think we ever hear any vampires making the opposite claim, that they can sense their sires. And it seems to require some proximity to work, in any case.

POM Ch. 8

Angelus sires Wesley at the very end of Chapter 6.

Crowley has been planning his revenge for a long time, and has become a bit... over-focused.

POM Ch. 9

Re: California's gun laws – Normally I wouldn't get into this sort of thing in this venue, but this is the fifth or sixth comment you've made that edges upon the political. So I will just say that based upon your comments, I think our politics are very different, and I am not the best audience for this type of complaint.

POM Ch. 10

While we don't see it happen on-screen, Gunn was captured when he showed up at the Hyperion, unsuspecting that Angelus was on the loose. Unfortunately, neither Cordelia nor Wesley was in any condition to warn him away at that point.

POM Ch. 13

Because I've had writer's block on this story for so very long, I started it shortly after Season 7 aired, but the latest completed chapters weren't written until many years later. By that time, the Dark Horse Buffy comics had come out, and the Angel & Faith title featured Whistler as a character, and revealed a number of interesting things about his background and motivations, which I'm now able to utilize in this story.

POM Ch. 14

Er, well, it's not finished. There are about five chapters left to go. As I said, I've had writer's block on this story for a looooong time. I have the rest of it outlined, and I have about three-quarters of a first draft for the next chapter written, but it's like pulling teeth. I do hope to finish it eventually.

In the meantime, there are a lot more stories set in this universe which are finished. Some of them are here, but the whole series can be found on AO3. (I can't post all of it here because some of the stories focus on other characters and are not really Spuffy stories. Also, the posting interface on AO3 is much, MUCH easier to use when it comes to putting long series in order.)

In any case, thank you for reading, and I'm glad you enjoyed the stories.


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Joyce commented on Chapter 13 on July 17, 2020 10:22am

“I can get you volunteers.” Really?! I thought Buffy had some kind of compassion regarding The Chip. Forgot that in this verse the Watcher’s Council did not insert themselves and go above the heads of those in charge of chip business.

Yay to Sam for having some gumption re “I’m not your …fresh start, I’m your wife!” That should mean something to Riley but it’s still all about him and his special needs. After this confrontation, Sam has to realize that Riley has some kind of fetish that’s deeply ingrained or maybe a need for someone to worship the ground he walks on.

LOL re seeing the old use of 17th century “s” in contemporary script!

Groan on Whistler giving Angel ideas as if he’s not done enough damage. Thought he was about Balance but he seems to be all in the Bangel camp maybe because he was an instigator in the first place.


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Joyce commented on Chapter 12 on July 17, 2020 10:21am

Xander’s in trouble. What a sneaky thing to do!

Re “quill and ink”. My elementary school had inkwells and we had to use fountain pens. Ballpoint pens at the time were too expensive for parents’ budgets. Only kids with money to burn had them.

Re “sir”. I miss Lawson calling Angel “Chief”.

Was wondering when the PTB would intervene.

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Joyce commented on Chapter 10 on July 17, 2020 10:20am

Nice insertion from Tanner regarding the charmed letter jacket of R.J.’s older brother. Connor inferred that Tanner was the wizard responsible for that but there was no clear affirmation. Just Connor being sure of it. And it must be true since guys were clueless about it with not being affected.

RE “..and Diego.” Is that the same Diego wanna be from Lie To Me?

Yay that Spike found a treasure! Hoping that it survives intact enough to carry out the plan.


Re “Three doz-“. Wow! The Council is still the Council only more nefarious on steroids. Travers is no better than The Initiative with “failed experiments and making a clean slate of it.”

Excellent realization from Buffy about being evil and expecting everyone else to be just like you. It works the other way too sadly for too many victims.

Poor Fred. I am hoping that there is enough Mohra blood to transform Wesley back but Buffy will probably not allow it after the Sunnydale deeds.

Re “rescue Gunn”. I thought Gunn escaped the carnage was safely ensconced someplace else. Not so safe regarding Fred’s revelation of his being a prisoner.

Grrr on Crawley pointing out what Angelus could not see. It would have been fun to see him lose more minions.

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Joyce commented on Chapter 9 on July 17, 2020 10:19am

Sad that L.A only has one gun club re THE “L. A. Gun Club” in a city as large as it is but it’s California with criminals getting the goodies heavily restricted to the law abiding.

Glad Lawson made a decision as to which mission appealed.

Re the flamberge turning to dust “She and her weapon crumbled to dust..” I guess it makes sense when jewelry turns into dust when a vampire is staked but I still think she would have dropped it first before the process.

Love Fred’s spunk in the face of danger!

So that’s where Spike learned to do research on his enemies. Glad to see Angel using technology so efficiently (he even knows about editing!) when in canon he could hardly handle a cell phone.

Riley and Harmony having an affair?! OMG! That’s just too rich! I should have guessed that he was stepping out somehow since he was paying a tad too much attention to Buffy before he mentioned a wife. Thanks for clarifying that it was just one night but, still, he should have come clean with Sam before the wedding than he wouldn’t be in such a predicament. Situations like this have a way of coming back and biting one on the ass.

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Joyce commented on Chapter 8 on July 17, 2020 10:19am

Lawson! Always like to see his appearance in fics!

I can believe the exploding pigeons bit. Not too many years ago, an elephant got into a pile of raw rice and died when the rice swelled.

Somehow I must have skimmed over Wesley becoming a vampire. With the knowledge, he can be very dangerous. Poor Fred.

“I didn’t expect this..” I am disappointed in that Crowley as a watcher with all the information on Angelus at his fingertips was not prepared for this amount of “self-aggrandizement”. Like he thought he was in control or something.

Enjoyed swashbuckling Spike! Hope he remains non dusty.


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Joyce commented on Chapter 7 on July 17, 2020 10:18am

That wasn’t very smart of Tara approaching Willow’s SIRE with that proposal! Did she think that he would just cave in when he has such a proprietary interest?

LOL re “bust to tier”!

Kennedy is so evil to blame Willow like that. It’s like some so-called pious men who claim women are evil just to defer others from looking at their own attraction.

Of course, Spike needs to go to L.A. as part of the Angelus plot to move it forward. I just wonder why Spike is not visiting that siring line to check out if there is some change in “the force” but then I remember how long it took them to find out about souled Angel in the first place. Feeling out Angelus would just be a usual thing with Angelus there just under the surface.

Sam is going down if she keeps up with this Spike obsession just to get bennie points with her boss. Failing to see why Buffy is so bound and determined to make Sam and Riley SEE when they are so hide bound.

Since Angel isn’t a big one with the intel, Buffy really should follow some type of intuition to know that something was off with her not remembering his technique. She should listen to very smart Dawn’s statement of “if he got blood splashed on him when he fought it, did little pieces of him come to life? “ Buffy’s brain should be in Red Alert mode!

Re a “backseat bigger than some hotel rooms”. We had a 1949 Hudson which had a back seat like that. We could sleep on the floors without feeling cramped. My mom used it to commute herself and some co-workers to their job fitting 6 people comfortably. The money helped.

Love the “cape and tights” reference for Angel!

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Joyce commented on Chapter 6 on July 17, 2020 10:17am

That was a good fight. Hope Evie hasn’t bitten off more than she can chew. Will this stirring of the pot get back to Spike?

LOL on taking “a non-breather”!

Re “It’s ev-“ That cut off bit from Kennedy implied there were more slayers and Willow did not do it. Who’s been playing in that particular sandbox?

Dawn is far more observant than I gave her credit for. (Smacks head). It only makes sense with her habit of lurking and eavesdropping.

Re “Theda Bara eyeroll”. Another fan of 20s films!

Finally a reference to the Mohra! I am all for a happy Tillow.

Buffy’s mind went to a place where Willow’s mind would previously go with automatic magic as a solution to the problem without thinking of the fallout consequences. It would work for little things but not such a major project as Spike proposed.

Wesley on Angel is akin to Giles on Buffy with always being the one subject to serious injury…


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Joyce commented on Chapter 5 on July 17, 2020 10:16am

Just like in canon, Riley came onto Buffy without Sam being around. Jerk!

Sounds like Crowley and Gregson did something to Angel’s soul?

Thanks for mentioning that Angel should have had sores from his long sojourn in the Bay. He looked way too intact in canon when there are lots and lots of scavengers in the ocean.

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Joyce commented on Chapter 4 on July 17, 2020 10:15am

Re “…various shades of threadbare” had me rolling! I love your humor!

I do find it weird that Spike can’t find Rack’s place anymore even though he could in canon. Guess that says something about the the scale of badness in the demon.

Wondering if Kennedy will fall in with Crowley and his mission when he gets to Sunnydale. She seems all ripe for it with her being in the teen phase of buying all the Council indoctrination hook, line and sinker.

From my observations, rich people do not have any “shamed twinge”. It’s the rest of us who feel pride if money is offered without work involved. Otherwise rich people would not put in force so many “entitlements” that shame those of us who worked all our adult lives before retiring. They would understand but they don’t.

Oh so that’s it! Kennedy is feeling attracted to Willow and she’s trying to hide it!

Arrgh! Why did you have to inflict HIM on we readers when there are so many plot tails in the air already?! I guess the more the merrier eh?


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Joyce commented on Chapter 3 on July 17, 2020 10:15am

What’s up with that weakness going on? What’s the bottleneck?

Agree that Cordelia’s hair color sucked during the Groosalugg time period although I quite liked the bobbed style. Whatever was Charisma thinking about with that color? It did not complement her skin tone at all.

“..flatiron to the Himalayas(sic)..” LOL!

I still have an address book as back up. Computers can still go wonky.

So Crowley wants to see a last hurrah before he leaves this world. Nice plot choice.

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Joyce commented on Chapter 2 on July 17, 2020 10:13am

Kennedy is a rich bitch and she snookered Buffy into thinking otherwise. What’s her game? Does she plan to off Buffy to get all the power? Hope it does not backfire on the home team.

Glad there was mention of the sproingy couch schtick.

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Joyce commented on Chapter 1 on July 15, 2020 03:43pm

Even though the Hellmouth is quiescent, there are still creatures there. Huh. Wondering what keeps them there.

If alcohol tastes the same to a vampire regardless of quality, why does Spike insist on “the good stuff”?

Spike’s description is exactly how we slaughtered on the family farm.

I like this avenue of Spike not being the only vamp chipped by The Initiative. Evie found a way to survive. Will her fangs regenerate?

Arrgh re Kennedy! Without a Hellmouth, why is she there? Is she the new Slayer?!

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Reader only commented on Chapter 1 on March 31, 2019 03:13am Liked

I am loving this series and I’m heartbroken that it looks like there will be no more updates. The last one was in 2015. Any chance you’ll ever return to this great story?

Author's Response on March 31, 2019 10:10pm

Hi -- I am still working on it, just veeeeeeerrrrrrry slooooooowwwwwwly. :)

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srbeaver commented on Chapter 14 on June 02, 2018 08:30pm Liked

Wow this story has unexpected twists and turns. I would love to know what happened to Angel, Wes, Connor, Cordy, Gunn, Fred, Tara, Willow, Xander, Anya, Giles, Kennedy, Dawn Buffy, and Spike.

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Lizawesome commented on Chapter 14 on May 10, 2017 03:07pm

I really really love this and I hope you continue to update it!! 

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myouterhebrides commented on Chapter 14 on March 10, 2016 03:09am

 I looove Barbverse! Just discovered this, and you really have a unique take on the characters. And so much plot! (Sorry, kind of a strange compliment, but plot isn't a common strength in fsnfiction)

Please continue ;-)

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 14 on December 26, 2015 12:59pm

This was a good part with Tara, the things she could do and what she thought. As I say all the time, this is extreamly good.

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 13 on December 26, 2015 12:54pm

Again we can see this wonderful writing. The perfectly written characters with their own problems and issues. We can see how complicated it is for Buffy to find a balance she can live with. I liked that Spike saved Evie.

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 12 on December 26, 2015 11:16am

Anya was written in such great way here, her thoughts and actions, all seemed perfect. I don't envy Xander trying to explain himself. Every character is written in a way that makes perfect sense.

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Baphrosia commented on Chapter 1 on December 16, 2015 06:13am

I said it on Seasonal Spuffy, but I'll say it here too - SO HAPPY you've given us another chapter.  *squees incoherently*  The Barbverse is my happy place.  :)

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 11 on December 14, 2015 05:05pm

This story is extreamly wellwritten. The relationship between Buffy and Spike are constructed in such a good way. He's still an evil soulless vampire, but by constructing his own way of thinking he can act in a way that Buffy can accept. There are problems of course, sometimes they have a totally different view of things. I like the organisation Spike has built up with minions and how Buffy is interacting with them. 

Angel and Dr Gregson seems to be the biggest problem, but we have everything else. Riley and Kennedy, the Council and all the different personal problems every character has.

The characters and how they have to relate to each other are built up so real, even for unreal characters.

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diebirchen commented on Chapter 1 on October 18, 2015 12:37am Liked

"Crowley" for Aleister? 

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Susan commented on Chapter 10 on December 08, 2013 10:08pm Liked

This story, like all the previous ones in the series, is wonderful. There are so many plots in the story, and I was wondering how you'd be able to weave them all together, but it's really coming together so well. I found chapter 11 on AO3, so I'm not sure if you're planning on updating the story here on EF (I sure hope you do :) ) or even if you are still writing this. I plan on reading on in the series, so I'm sure I will be able to piece together how this story ends, but I know that whatever words I come up with while trying to figure it out will pale in comparison to what you have in store for the conclusion.

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 10 on September 18, 2013 09:07am

A great story in a great serie. Writing, storyline, characters, all great. To bad this isn't finished though.

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 9 on September 17, 2013 12:53pm

Another great chapter. The interaction, the fighting, all written so well. 

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 8 on September 16, 2013 07:35pm

I really enjoy the different vampires and the interaction between them.

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magnus374 commented on Chapter 7 on September 14, 2013 09:42pm

Another great chapter. The thoughts and what they say, all really good. 

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