Hahahaha! Busted!!! I loved this!! Oh, and I am glad that thing worked out between Buffy and Xander. Although, I guess this will kill whatever fantasy Xander will have of ever being with Buffy.. hehehe. Anyway, going back!! Hahahaha! I really am glad that Spike's soul is no longer kept a secret. THis will make people like him even more! Thanks again for sharing this fic. I love you for making it![Report This]
Good talk between Giles and Spike. I hope something good with also come in the next chapter. I am curious to know what's happening in Spike's home dimension though. Are Angel and the others still looking for him? Is Buffy? Really killing me not knowing. Anyway, another great chapter! Thanks for sharing your amazing talent![Report This]
I really am curious. Gosh, this is killing me.I want to know what will happen. This story keeps getting better and better by the minute. First, I liked that Spike came to Giles, I love the idea that he really does have faith in ole Rupes, despite the fact the older Brit had him killed. He kept no resentment towards him in this fic. I liked that you did that. I most especially liked that you gave that shirt scene where Giles felt some emotion for Spike, that means that he and Spike would be closer in this story and I love the idea of him and our favorite blond vamp to be just that, closer. I always thought that Spike and Giles could have been really good friends in the series but most of the time that closeness wasn't too shown. I actually enjoyed that "pops" comment and I smiled at that really. hmmm.. Anyway, nice chapter, can't wait to see what you will do with the next one. So I will be reading just that![Report This]
OOOhhh, so Spike is back in time or he is lost in an alternate reality? I am lost, but again, intrigue. I really am getting hook with this fic and I liked that team Angel was worried for Spike. I hope he calls Buffy or something. Really I wish such a thing would happen... hehehehe.[Report This]
Interesting start. I actually admire your writing style. I liked the inner monologues and sarcastic remarks adds some funny moments to the serious flow where your story was heading. Anyway, you peaked my interest, so I am gonna give this fic a shot. Thanks for sharing it and I am really expecting a good one with this![Report This]
Well, I'm glad to see that the team in Spike's original dimension is worried about him!
But of course, they can't ask for help to find Spike and bring him home, because then Buffy might find out he's back. Angel is a prize git.
So glad Angel's friends managed to get through to him just how selfish and non-championy he was being.
I can't say I'm surprised at Giles' reaction to Angel's call, but as Angel rightly said, if it was Angelus preparing a trap, he would never ring up and tip his hand.
And Angel's visit to Cordelia almost made me feel sorry for him. Almost.
More please![Report This]
A very good chapter, seeing things from the home dimension was good. This chapter was about Angel being forced to admit some things to himself.
I liked how everyone in his time told him that he should let Buffy know. We could see in Angelas thoughts and in his reaction to Wesley mentioning Cordelia, that Angel has moved on. It's just like how he though, Buffy is a dream he doesn't want to give up, a memory of a simpler time. I totally loved how Harmony pointed out that this shouldn't have anything to do with Buffy, it's about Spike.
After some thinking, Angel did call Giles. The fact that he didn't try to find a number to Buffy also tells us that things have changed. This Giles fits well into how he was during the Illyria incident, a natural development from his season 7 persona.
I did like Angel's thoughts when he watched the pictures and especially him talking to Cordelia. It showed his feelings for her and make him admitt that it's Cordelia he wants now.
I'm really happy you liked the chapter! I know it broke the flow a bit but it was really necessary for some future plot points.
As much as he'd rather avoid it, Angel was definitely forced to admit some home truths - something he really needed.
Both Angel AND Buffy had moved on long time ago (in canon too, not just here), but still clang to their 'forever love' as some sort of a safety raft, which really wasn't healthy for either (or fair to their respective partners / love interests). Their 'love' was not real at all to me, it was more like a teen's idea of a perfect, faultless (and doomed) love STORY.
Harmony was great, wasn't she? Writing her little rant was probably my favourite part of this chapter. :D
I'm sure Angel's spies were keeping an eye on Buffy at this time as well but you're right, the fact he contacted Giles - and not her - is very telling.
I really wanted to contrast this (canon) Giles - cold, cynical and distrusting, to the 'younger', much likable version. Both AtSV and BtSV had some great character developments over the years (my personal favourites being Wesley and Cordelia's story archs, and obviously Spike) but Giles wasn't one of them. In fact, his character did the reverse: he started out as a fair, open-minded and amiable, and ended up as a cold, calculating Travers-wannabe.
So glad you liked the parts with the pictures and the 'conversation' with Cordy. Aside fro Harmony's little moment, those was my ffavourite parts to write. I thought they were pretty true to character as well, at least I tried my best to make them so.
Thank you very much for another wonderful, detailed review, Magnus!
And a Very Merry Christmas (or whatever holiday you're celebrating) to you!
I'm so glad Angel might finally let Buffy go... Gunn's point about her is so apt. Really enjoyed the fang gang supporting Spike over dog-in-a-manger Angel too! I can't wait to see how this interlude sets up the following plot. Having so much fun beta-ing for you.
They - Angel AND Buffy - really did need to just let go. Both ccharacters had clearly moved on long time ago, yet regressed to lovesick teens in the presence of each other. For no reason whatsoever other than "we're destined".
Angel totally WAS a dog-in-a-manger, the best part (for me) being Harmony's righteous indignation. :D
This interlude was needed to set the scene for future developments because otherwise they just wouldn't make any sense at all.
Trust me, the pleasure is all mine! You're a wonderful beta and it's a great experience working with you!
Thank you for reading, reviewing, beta-ing and generally being so awesome!
Great chapter can 't wait till the next one:) Marry Christmas
I'm really glad you liked this update! It was important for future plot developments. :)
Next chapter will take us back to Sunnydale, for the showdown between Giles, Spike and Jenny. Hope you'll like it too.
Thank you very much for reading and reviewing!
A Very Merry Christmas to you as well!
I'm glad you are showing what's happening back in the home dimension.
Angel is such an in character ass just as in S5 canon. He's like a dog with a bone where Buffy is concerned. I love how you had the rest of the crew standing up for Spike. He deserved having people care about him but really didn't in canon other than Fred.
Giles is another ass but in character...he had become so Quentin Travers II. I don't think he'd change back to the Giles we loved after the battle with the FE...he'd gone too far into the old Council behavior IMHO. He seems that way here. His hatred of Angel is something I would have expected even from the old Giles though. After Angelus I never understood how Giles could be cozy with him again.
They all said what Angel needed to hear. I love the concept of Angel having his locked drawer with the pictures. That really does sound like something he would do even to having it locked up. He's not the type to display pictures of those he loves...rather keep it hidden.
Yes Cordy was the one who "got" him best. She saw all his flaws but loved him without seeing him as perfect.
And I'm not sure when exactly it turned from love to a symbol of love. Yes this is exactly what she was.
“It was when I went to Sunnydale that last time, to give her the amulet. Being there… For a moment, I forgot everything. Losing Connor again, you being… like this, everything. For a moment, everything was so simple. There was Buffy, there was Angel, and together we were us, the forever lovers, the soulmates that were destined to be together.” ... the thought I was being brushed off in favour of Captain Peroxide kind of reduced me to a mental state of a pre-teen. This is the single best explanation of that horrible (to me) part of that episode! One minute Buffy and Spike were making a deep connection even if Buffy was putting off talking about what it all meant then the next minute Buffy and Angel were all over each other and she was promising him cookies.
And Merry Christmas (or any/all other holidays) that you celebrate.
This isn't the last time we'll see glimpses from the home dimension, although the last time a full chapter is dedicated to it (I think). It was important to make this interlude for future plot points because otherwise a lot of things later on just wouldn't make sense.
Angel did move on from Buffy even in canon but exactly like a dog with a bone, he just wouldn't let go of Buffy (whenever he remembered her existence).
As for the AtSV crew, I think they did grow to care for Spike, actually. They were certainly more accepting of him than Scoobies ever were. But they knew him for a rather short amount of time, not to mention were sometimes forced to 'choose' between him and Angel (usually siding with Angel out of loyalty). If AtSV went for another season or two, I think we'd see a deep friendship develop between Spike and the rest of Fang Gang. After all, Wes and Gunn didn't become blossom friends in an instant, just as an example.
I really wanted to contrast the harden, Travers-wannabe Giles (cynical and distrustful), to the 'young' version (willing to give a chance even to a soulless vampire). To me, Giles was a person whose character development went in a reverse way; the man he started out as in BtSV was miles better than what he ended up as.
Angel certainly got an earful of some home truths, and he definitely needed to hear them. I thought the line caked drawer was in character too. Some of the things he kept there - it would be hard for him to explain why the drawings of the Scourge still meant so much to him if he weren't Angelus. But then some of the pictures he HAD to keep hidden, wouldn't he? Pictures of a baby no one remembered were bound to raise some questions.
The way Angel and Buffy talked of each other (post him leaving) always made me wonder if I had been watching the right show. The faultless, perfect heroes they'd made the other to be had nothing in common with the real characters. That's why I think Spike is so much better for Buffy: as he said, he'd seen the best and worst in her, and still loved her with everything. And that's also why I think Cordy is perfect for Angel; she never idolized him and was always only too happy to point his shortcomings, had seen the worst of him - and still loved him. THAT is real love, not the idolized Bangel we are meant to perceive as it.
That Bangel kiss in S7... It felt like a slap. Buffy was not only betraying Spike (not just physically, emotionally too - especially after that poignant moment they'd had earlier), it was very atypical for Angel of the time as well. With everything that has happened to him, his son lost and Cordy in coma, the way they portrayed him as a one-dimensional immature fool only giving a damn about Buffy and her cookies, was a great disservice to the character, imo.
As always, thank you for reading and leaving such a lovely review, Kathleen!
A Very Mery Christmas (or whatever holiday you celebrate) to you as well!
Technically speaking, we (Orthodox Churches) celebrate Christmas in January, but I just cheat and celebrate it twice. :D
Good on the L.A. crew and ‘specially Harm. God bless her evil heart!
Yep, good old Harm, sticking up for her Blondie Bear. :D
I know this chapter broke the flow, so to speak, but it was necessary for future developments. :)
Thank you for reading and reviewing!
Waiting for an update and this is what I get... I'm sad now... I'm going to bed
I'm sorry you didn't like this update. Unfortunately, it was necessary for future developments. Hope you'll like the subsequent chapters more. :)
Thank you for reading and reviewing.
Willow wanting to “help” is Willow wanting all things to go her way. That aspect of her personality was slow to be shown but boy is it there in hind sight.
You method of having Giles deal with Xander’s issues in a constructive manner is the only one I’ve seen in fanfic. Also Buffy got out her feelings of brotherhood to Xander. Much better than on the show.
Yes, in hindsight many of Willow's later issues - lust for power and order, desire to be in control, manipulations and complete disregard for others' opinions - were definitely there from the beginning. Not as pronounced, obviously, but still present.
I'm glad you like the new Giles-Xander dynamics. I wanted to address all of their issues and shortcomings without resorting to bashing. And I really wanted Giles to start treating Xander better. Giles loved bed Buffy, was very proud of Willow, but towards Xander he was usually completely dismissive. This Giles may actually become an actual responsible mentor for Xander and as a result, he (Xander) might avoid a lot of the mistakes he made in canon.
Thank you very much for reading and reviewing!
You handled it beautifully. You're spot on in writing each character.
I'm so happy you think so! Writing OOC characters is probably my biggest concern so the fact you think I'm spot on with them means a lot! :)
Thank you for reading and reviewing!
I think you did an excellent exploration of the Xander-Hyena-Magic theme and particularly how you included Giles' involvement and also VERY MUCH liked Spike's emotional meltdown flashback inclusion. Jenny using spells in preparation for this meeting also another plot point I like.
I'm so glad you're happy about the way I handled the situation. The hyena incident (including Xander's subsequent lie and Giles' cover up) is certainly one that causes great divisions among the fans. It was difficult to address all the issues that I believed needed to be, without resorting to unnecessary bashing.
Giles was by default the authority figure for the Scoobies. They respected and trusted him. Unfortunately, he didn't always warrant either, and did a rather horrible job when it came to the emotional well-being of his charges. It's especially true of Xander, who Giles was often openly dismissive of. Hopefully, in world, they'll have a much better relationship and, as a result, a lot of issues can be avoided.
Jenn, with her Romani background and natural distrust of vampires (especially Aurelian ones), was hardly going to go unprepared. The extent of her preparations will be apparent during the Spike-Giles-Jenny showdown.
Thank you again for reading and reviewing this story!
Great chapter can't wait till the next one
Thank you! I'm so glad you liked the chapter (and, hopefully, the story). :)
I post every Saturday; hope you'll like the next one as well.
Thank you very much for reading and reviewing!
This story is really great! I can’t wait to read more! I hope we can see some slurry interaction soon
I'm so happy you like this story, it really means a lot! :)
Spuffy interaction will happen soon but not before the Spike-Jenny-Giles Big Talk. Don't worry, Spike will start annoying, attracting and confusing Buffy really soon. ;)
Thank you for reading and reviewing this story! Hope you enjoy the rest of it as well.
Excellent way to address several issues relating to Giles' mishandling of several situations. Well done.
Love the bus driver/passenger analogy. Makes a lot of sense.
Lots of re-bonding and healing going on, and I really hope Xander keeps to that promise not to lie to Buffy or Willow again (thinking about the 'kick his ass' incident... which hopefully won't now occur anyway).
And Spike really should have considered the possibility that as a gypsy magic practitioner, Jenny might be able to read his aura and sense his soul.
Now I'm on tenterhooks, waiting for the fallout of that little revelation...
Thank you! I'm so very glad you like the way the situation was handled! :)
The bus-driver analogy came about a bit spontaneously. I just thought how would Xander - a teen not very good with words, let alone analogies - explain what had happened to him, how he wasn't in the driver's seat. And the words sort of wrote themselves. I actually do like it as well and think it explains not just Xander's behaviour, but vampires too.
Newly-turned vamps - they're a lot like passengers: some at the front of the bus (when the human part is still quite strong), some - at the very back (when the demon takes over almost completely). But the older, the more powerful they grow, the more likely it is for the demon and human to become co-drivers of sorts. Not sure if any of these made sense... Looks like Cander isn't the only one who sucks at analogies. :D
This was a very traumatic experience for Xander, not least due to his fear he'd lose Buffy's friendship. I really don't see him jeopardizing it again through a lie, or beraking his promise, which really did come from heart and was completely sincere. So hopefully, the future of this Buffy and Xander's friendship is much brighter and built on a much more solid foundation.
Well, let's just say Jenny definitely thought she was well-prepared for her meeting with the infamous William the Bloody. How exactly she saw the soul (or ensured her safety because let's face it - she wasn't going to meet a vampire without SOME safety measures) will be revealed in chapter 10 (chapter 9 takes us elsewhere, so sorry, you'll have to remain on tenterhooks a little longer). :D
Thank you very much for reading and reviewing!
A truly great chapter. First we saw Giles buying blood for Spike. The fact that buying blood seemed like a normal Sunnyvale thing as well as what Spike has said and done has given Giles a lot to think about. He is more open in this time and can think everything through without being stuck in some way of thinking.
He did talk to Xander first, explained and prepared him a bit, good. Xander explained himself as much as he could to the girls. Here we could finally see what a big trauma Jessie's death was for him. He was never mentioned again on the show which didn't make any sense, when it must have been a big thing for Xander, and Willow too. Xander described how he felt during the Hyena possession and managed to get that through.
Willow of course forgave Xander at once, she always want things to go back to how it was and she herself wasn't hurt as much by Xander. It was good that Giles saw her tendency for manipulation and pointed it out for her. Willow wants control and that things are always good and happy and if her manipulation tendency can be stopped now a lot of problems in the future can be avoided.
Giles pointed out William's problem and I liked how he talked to Xander, made him see that he has some problems in his character that he should work with to stopp them from growing, but the most important thing was that he showed Xander that he care about him, not just tolerate him.
The talk between Buffy and Xander was of course somewhat painful, but they were honest with each other in this and that can make them both heal from this without any festering.
Now it's time for some big talk with Giles, Jenny and Spike. Jenny had prepared herself, so it made sense that she would see the soul. She probably had some combination of truth and revealing spell going on.
I'm so glad you liked the way the situation was handled! I was a bit nervious it wouldn't be to everyone's likening, to be honestly but then I suppose that's quite impossible anyway.
Yes, Giles definitely has a lot to think about in regards to Sunnydale's demonic (and vampiric) population. Right now, he's a bit torn between his teachings, common sense, and the puzzle that is Spike.
I too never understood why Jesse - and what happened to him - was never really alluded to again. I mean, he was Xander and Willow's best friend, he was the first friend of sorts Buffy failed to save, he was killed by Darla... There should have been enough emotional drama and fallout to last a lifetime, yet like a lot of things in the show, it was inexplicably swept under rug.
I admit, when writing this particular chapter, I was initially mostly focused on Buffy and her trauma, because for obvious reasons I emphasize with her more. However, halfway through, I realized Xander had actually gone through a fairly profound emotional trauma as well. That the coming clean part - it wasn't just for Buffy's sake. Xander needed it every bit as much. He needed to acknowledge what had happened, sort out his conflicting emotions, and began the process of healing.
Willow is... Willow. I liked her (well, pre S6 anyway) but even as early as S1, she showed very strong tendencies and yearning for power and control and manipulations. I genuinely do feel this Willow's reaction was very much in character with the canon version (in any season).
Giles has just had the epiphany of his responsibility towards all three of them - Buffy, Willow and Xander. And I wanted him show to Xander he actually does care for him, that Xander can turn to him not just for Slayer or Buffy-related issues, but just for regular Xander -issues. God knows Xander needed a responsible adult in his life! Maybe now that he has someone to confide it and seek advice from, someone he can trust, he won't make all of the stupid decisions in his life, most of which stemmed from his inability to talk to anyone about them.
I think Buffy is feeling more hurt from his lie, than the actual attack. The attacks, of any variety, she may be used to as a Slayer (not that it actually makes it easier, as her nightmare showed), but the betrayal of trust from her best friend? That did shook her up. They needed to air their dirty laundry, so to speak. And now that everything is out in the open, when they were completely, 100% honest with each other, they can indeed begin to heal. I do genuinely feel like this Buffy and Xander will actually have a much more solid friendship than the canon ones.
You are definitely onto something in regards to Jenny's spells. You might have to wait a little for the big talk, however, because the next chapter takes us... somewhere else. ;)
As always, thank you for such awesome review, Magnus. I enjoyed reading your musings and reactions very much.