“I thought it would make us sick, ‘cause we don’t go to the bathroom or anything.” - Another gigantic Angel failure. Poor Buffy, she's been thinking she's so much farther removed from humanity than she really is.
Oh, Buffy's killing me here, thinking adventurous sexual thoughts must be evil (so very in line with the show though), but... agh. Thank goodness Spike is at least setting her straight with Angel's complete selfishness.
Cracked up with the scene with the commandos! Loving the (not-so) subtle Riley digs, as well.
Angel is such a prick.... And yeah, poor Buffy, unaware that sex is just normal thought processes. She REALLY needed a Spike.
They really didn't know what to make of Buffy and Spike having a domestic, did they?
I think the only surprising thing about Angel not making with the happy for Buffy is that Spike didn't just assume Angel was a selfish bar steward in that respect.
Hah, love Spuffy totally out thinking the soldiers and scientist
Yeah, they were totally flummoxed by intimate antagonism...
Spike couldn't begin to imagine Angel wouldn't have buried his nose in soft Slayer juices, because after all... he himself would have been all over that!
*fans self* Spike's descriptions were certainly... um, imaginative? Descriptive. Highly, er, visual. *gulp*
Anyway... *takes deep breath* so, yeah, it's fun to see them bickering and working together.
I wonder what, ah, they might also... enjoy.
Yes, yes, I think the word "evocative" comes into play there....
Buffy always had such a hard time with relationships. Insecurity plays a big part of that, but really I just think Angel brainwashed her in a lot of ways. She always seemed so gun shy of being happy, and purposefully seemed to latch onto men who could be considered normal.
I don't think Spike said any of those things to cruel, I just think he wants to help her see that Angel doesn't care about her happiness over his own.
I really am liking their conversations overall though. They are a bit hard to read, as, brutal honesty is well... Brutal. But think it gives good perspective on both of their demonic natures, when filtered through a soul (in Buffy's case), and when not filtered through a soul (in Spike's case).
Overall, I hope these moments help form a strong partnership. And that they give Buffy some happiness and Spike someone who will stay with him.
Also, I really enjoyed them both arguing over who would protect whom. I can just imagine how interesting a study they are for the initiative.
Thanks for the update!
Yeah, I think the Initiative is just totally flummoxed, at this point. But they're going to argue over who protects whom probably for the rest of their unlives... presuming they stay together, of course.
That got me hot just reading it! Buffy actually thinks that the thought of a surrogate is because she's an evil vamp? Angel has really screwed with her head!! Loved the bickering!
Yeah, Buffy had a few sexual hangups, no thank you at all Angel. Though... if the surrogate was Spike... mmm... Poor Angel. He'd be kicked to the curb really fast.... (Ooo.... suddenly wants to see that story somewhere....)
I'd love to see it too!
I love that we all headcanon Spike would rather get his lady off than get off himself. And his dirty talk... wow. *fans self* Can I vote for all of the above? Except obviously Spike doing the things, not Angel.
And the commandos are back. It's funny how they're trying to explain Spike & Buffy's behavior according to patterns and parameters, but ironically *they* are the predictable ones.
It's not just headcanon --- it's established that he went down on the Buffybot. You don't do that if you don't like doing that for women. She's a robot. She didn't care what he did. He had to just like doing that.
Excellent chapter. The conversation between Spike and Buffy was great. We can see Buffy realized again how Angel's answers about vampire habits were evasive and inaccurate.
Slayer stared at the reprieve he was offering. “You mean I can still have chocolate?” She felt nearly in tears. Poor Buffy! I really understand her! :)
Angel is a sadist who gets immense pleasure, consciously or not, from Buffy’s - his victim's - suffering. There's no other explanation for his actions , in my opinion.
The point was, since Christmas when they were dating properly, she and Angel could have had a deeply sensual if not actively sexual relationship. I'm glad that Spike, thanks to this bad but fruitful experience, is giving Buffy a lot to think about Angel and her unhealthy relationship with him.
The last scene was nice. I loved the bickering between the two vampires.
Chocolate! Slayer deserves her chocolate!
I agree about Angel's sadism. Creepy feck.
Trust Angel to teach Buffy that she couldn't eat human food. The torture of thinking you can't eat chocolate is cruel and unusual punishment.
Spike has a valid point about post-soul restoration Angel. Just because it was too risky for him to get his happy on, it didn't mean he couldn't give Buffy regular happies. Selfish git.
Love the bickering! And they flummox the researchers yet again.
Well, for a chocolate addict like Buffy! Total torture. Angel really should have been giving Buffy her propers... if I was a Bangel shipper, I'd be writing that all over the place, except for the fact she outright SAYS "We can't do any of that stuff...." Which means they HAVEN"T BEEN! It's thus against canon that they did!
One thing this captivity together will do is give Buffy plenty of food for thought about her own nature and even more importantly about Angel and Angelus. She would have run from Spike if they hadn't been caught or even worse staked him. Now she will learn and find freedom by the time they are out. She'll understand her own nature better and maybe even feel safe enough to be around her beloved mother (and surrogate father Giles) again too. She will have HOPE. As awful as the Initiative is this is going to be the best thing to happen to her. Angel took her life and Spike is going to give it back...changed because she IS a vampire but she will live, laugh and even love again all thanks to Spike.
Those were some damn sensual looking hands... hands she really wanted on her body....OH GOD YES...JM's hands (to me) are one of his sexiest features. People comment on the cheekbones and I'm rather meh. He has lovely eyes, yes, but those hands. YUM... the way they look and the way he uses them.
Yes Spike has built his entire vampiric life on multiple choices instead of the black and white/either or solutions and viewpoints.
I thought it would make us sick, ‘cause we don’t go to the bathroom or anything. Awwww poor Buffy deprived of even those few pleasures all because Angel the massive dick (well maybe not the physical appendage, who knows) had to give his line of BS that Vampires don't eat just because he doesn't! “You mean I can still have chocolate?” She felt nearly in tears. OH how Spike will be improving her life! She has really needed him.
Spike was not like Angel. No kidding! Not in any way except needing blood, having a demon and fangs and being old. ... he was more likely to have said it was the wages of sin or something. Yeah even though Buffy has never been a murdering psychopath who deserves those wages.
as if imagining her in his boxers and not much, if anything, else. “You sure you’re all that attached to your soul?” LOL Have a feeling he's going to be asking THAT a lot.
“It was why he left. It was hard enough when we couldn’t do anything just ‘cause of him.” Ahhh but Buffy it wasn't SEX that caused that soul to go. I have to believe Angel knew it too (even in canon). You cannot convince me he spent 2 whole years with Darla and Dru after the curse and never had sex with either of them...they would have really wondered about him if that was the case and Dru and Spike at least didn't know about the soul. Likewise all the years pre rat alley were not likely celibate either. His "perfect happy" wasn't about sex. In fact since Buffy doesn't love Spike at the moment having a sexual relationship probably wouldn't make her perfectly happy either (I doubt she will ever be perfectly happy since she is so torn by being a vampire it will always be in the back of her mind).
Oh my how hot Spike's descriptions of all that Angel COULD have done for Buffy without getting the pleasure himself! “He could have done all that... and instead he told you to be chaste? Just cause he had to be?” Yup, that sums it up. Funny thing is Spike (again so not like Angel) WOULD have gotten pleasure just giving her that even if he couldn't get release himself.
Angel doesn’t feel like there’s any point unless he gets his Totally his character. Just like doing good is only worth it if he gets that reward at the end. “Well. If the question is mine or hers? My first impulse is hers.” Yup this is also totally Spike. For his women he will do and be anything.
“Uh, excuse me?” said a voice from behind the commandos. “This isn’t fitting any of the parameters.” ROFL Yeah not quite what you expect from animals or not even that. Gee sounds a lot like a man and a woman there Bill Nye.
these soldier guys didn’t even understand what they had with the two of them. Not just the soldiers and not on any level.
What, Josef Mengele style experimentation? It’s something I’ve been longing to experience for the whole of my existence! Science guy should perhaps note the awareness of history and intelligence on his clipboarded papers.
Yes, that's the big thing about this Trapped In the Same Cell trope. It gives them time to TALK. And she needed to sit down and talk to a half-way decent elder vampire about a lot of things, and someone who knew Angel, even better. Basically all of your first paragraph is the entire premise of this fic...
Oh, hell, yeah, Spike hands... Spike. Hands.
No, Angel knows it wasn't sex. He just wasn't sure, or wanted to pretend it was. I think Angel does a lot of revisionist history in his own head. He rewrites things to match his own storyline that he thinks should be. Actually... maybe he's more like Andrew than anyone realizes!
I don't know about Angel and his reward at the end. He did carefully try to point out that he shouldn't be reaching for the carrot at the end of that stick, he should just keep moving on regardless. But... that carrot is there... and they keep bringing it up....
Yeah, knowledge of history, intelligence, not to mention sarcasm. They really don't want to accept what they're seeing. But then... how often did scientists disregard emotion in animals? For decades they did this.
And they keep getting to know each other. Well, as I said before, there's nothing else to do and we don't want a bored Spike
It's sort of sad to see Buffy understand how much Angel could have done for her, if he had wanted to. It hurts when illusions die, but you will be better for it. Spike has the seduction of Slayer going on.
So now it's time for the torture, poor them.
I liked Spike's line about how a bloke couldn't be nice in this age. It is apparently a very thin line between being nice and being condescending. I myself have thought "should I help, or will she get offended"
Yeah, the illusions she had about Angel were many and varied and deep... she really does need to be shaken out of them.
Heehee! This chapter was freaking brilliant! I loved their sensual conversation. Spike has really given Buffy a lot to think about regarding her relationship with Angel, hasn't he? And then the scene with the initiative? Hilarious! They really are treating them as dumb sub human creatures. Morons. This chapter was a lot of fun to read.
Thanks! Spike knows what a woman wants. He may not be able to touch her MUCH right now, but he can use his voice and his words and his PRESENCE and do wicked, naughty, sexy things with just those....
The end was hilarious.
I do feel a lot of Angel and Buffy not thinking of anything beyond basic sex just came to ignorance of getting women off at the hands of the writers, but it's yet another thing that makes Angel look bad. ESPECIALLY since they found some ways around it later on (given he had sex w/ Nina, Darla, and Eve).
Oh, I'm sure the writers knew how to get women off. They were adults, and some of them were female. I think the point was that the relationship had to be chaste and pure, and they were very strict about what chaste meant. Except they bloody shouldn't have been! Because once it was just Angel, just A MAN on AtS (in many cases different writers) you couldn't have him show his virulence without having love interests and getting laid! *Kicks AtS.* *Does it again*
Haha! These two are going to make Maggie pull her hair out. Spike is too mean, getting the Slayer riled up with his wicked tongue... I mean, dirty talk, or course. I love that you've made a situation that could easily be doom and gloom torture porn into this comedic, sometimes philosophical, bonding story.
I'm not really a fan of doom and gloom torture porn, me... Not that things don't get a little dark soon here. But that wicked wicked tongue... Ah, Spike You really don't know how to behave.
They are really a very fine match as vamps. It irons out a lot of conceptual difficulties. And I like the whole "Angel could have seen to your needs" angle -- of course he could, if he wasn't selfish, brooding, and obsessed with a 15-years-old image of Buffy!
But he WAS, selfish and brooding and she flat out said "We can't actually do any of that stuff" which means nope, he wasn't taking care of her at all, and it was all "we much be pure and chaste and here's a gentle kiss and otherwise I'm just fine..." Jerk. Bangel is only romantic if you're scared of sex.
That was badass :-) I love how their relationship progressed so naturally, you really have a way of wwriting stuff that's completely off-canon but somehow still fits the characters. Great chapter!
I wouldn't recommend German chocolate, though. If you want fancy, Swiss or Belgian chocolate is the way to go ;-)
Eh, he's not very well versed.
I usually like sticking to canon as close as I can. I've only recently branched out a little, and this is only the third off-canon story I've written (the other two being Care and Darkest Dawn.)
(Also, not counting the comics, since I cannot consider that travesty canon. It doesn't even match the characters as written in the show!)