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Charisse commented on Chapter 19 on April 11, 2021 05:08am

I love this story—the sweep of history, the unified theory, Ruppert’s comeuppance, both Angel and Spike getting their just desserts. It’s all good. Thank you for the struggles in writing it, and for finishing it.  The end reminds me of Milton: “the world was all before [him], which way to go.” (If I remembered it correctly.) you can’t do any better than that!😎

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SlayrGrl commented on Chapter 19 on December 22, 2018 12:45am Liked

I really enjoyed this.

Author's Response on December 21, 2018 10:08pm

Thanks so much! It's always nice getting comments on these stories so long after they were posted.

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All4Spike commented on Chapter 19 on August 10, 2018 10:40pm

This story popped up on the randomiser and I couldn't resist reading it again. Still love its brilliant originality. flowers

Author's Response on August 12, 2018 01:41pm

Thanks so much! I figured it was just a pile of headcanon loosely disguised as a fic, so I'm always happy to hear when someone likes it.

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Toften commented on Chapter 19 on February 07, 2018 09:37pm Liked

I love this. What a beautiful, coherent headcanon. 

Author's Response on February 07, 2018 05:00pm

Thanks very much!

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LycheeP commented on Chapter 1 on February 05, 2018 03:59pm

"Jössasna, wos mocht a Nokata im Hawelka?" 

Awesome story! cheers

 

 

Author's Response on February 05, 2018 11:26am

Thanks so much! I, um, ran your phrase through a translator online, and I couldn't make sense of it. What does it mean?

LycheeP Replied on February 05, 2018 03:42pm

A translation tool won't help much in this case as it's a line from a quite famous Austro-Pop song by Georg Danzer sung in Viennese dialect. A rough translation would be "Jesus, what's a naked man doing in (cafe) Hawelka?" I thought you may have referenced it deliberately....but now it seems to be a strange coincidence!

LycheeP Replied on February 05, 2018 03:44pm

A translation tool won't help much in this case as it's a line from a quite famous Austro-Pop song by Georg Danzer sung in Viennese dialect. A rough translation would be "Jesus, what's a naked man doing in (cafe) Hawelka?" I thought you may have referenced it deliberately....but now it seems to be a strange coincidence!

Author's Response on February 06, 2018 11:14am

Hahaha, I love lucky coincidences like that. Yeah, totally unintentional.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 19 on February 04, 2018 11:42am Liked

that fit with what Aurelius had told him; he was supposed to be turn into whatever the guy had been trying to create when he bollixed it up and got vampires instead, but even Aurelius hadn't been able to say how Spike might evolve and what he might be capable of. And Spike is the perfect one for this evolution because he is the KING of adaptation.

And now he can bend reality without too much thought. Cool! Yeah, I'll bet Buffy is gobsmacked.  Basically, you want something bad enough, you make it happen. That's a boatload of power there (and something Willow was going for in a dark way).

It would be quite easy to work Buffy into a permanent companion for Spike should she wish it without messing up canon. She certainly healed from the "mortal wound" the FE taunted her about. She also came back different when she was resurrected. She might be a part of that plural that Pure Ones implies. I will take that as MY headcanon continuation of this story.

"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit," he said finally. Something that'd stuck with him from his school days. Everything changes, nothing perishes. Everything changes, nothing is truly lost, he'd also heard it translated. Yes and this isn't merely a religious belief but science for that matter. Love that you chose to put that bit of wisdom here at the end of your tale.

 who and what Spike became from here on out was completely up to him.

"Here's to hatchin'," he said.

NO better way to end the story at all. Utter perfection.

I loved every word, every idea. I love that this makes me think and not just about Buffyverse things but about the real world as well. Love how it fits nicely with philosophy and religion of many stripes. Love its many possibilities. Spike is the perfect vehicle for this tale.

This is without question one of my all-time favorite pieces of fiction (and I include "original" fiction not merely fanfic). Completely brilliant from start to end. 

Stayed up all night because I could not put it aside.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:45pm

You flatter me, a LOT, but i like it. :) Seriously, thank you. If you want to read more of my non-BTVS stuff, I'm also over on AO3 now. The first thing I wrote (and posted) after this fic was a Loki fic that is very similar; I jokingly call it 70,000 words of dialogue followed by a fight scene.

I don't come by Elysian Fields much anymore, but if this story gets featured or anything, could you let me know? I'd appreciate it.

Thanks again for reading, and for all your lovely comments!

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 18 on February 04, 2018 11:17am Liked

"When you lot looked at your Slayers, you always saw a weapon, and a disposable one at that. Use her up, throw her away, what does it matter? You're guaranteed to get a new one, why should you care how she feels? Whether she's happy? Why should you care about treatin' her like a person, yeah?" He twisted his expression into a parody of a smile. "'Course, you used to be different." Personally, I'm glad he put it out there on the table. Giles needs his arrogance clipped and a reality check on his behavior.

The Slayers that fell to me, at least word got around afterward. People knew my reputation—knew I didn't waste my time on an easy kill. Slayer fell to me was a Slayer worth the name, and the demon world? They'd remember that name. THAT is exactly how I always saw Spike's Slayer kills. One warrior vs. another equal in an honorable fight to the death, more like war...combat. ..not a murder.

Love this chapter. Even have some tiny hope for Giles to redeem himself in time. I like exposition especially when it's so damned good and well written.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:42pm

Giles does need a reality check, but let's be careful to acknowledge, Spike going up against a Slayer was still motivated by a desire for blood and mayhem. Demon honor may be something different, but never forget that he was part of the most violent group of vampires ever recorded in history. Before he got the soul, Buffy was right; Spike was a serial murderer who ate his victims. He drank the first Slayer he killed, and we never did learn her name, did we? Joss never gave that to us. Granted, I'm looking back on this fic as someone who's no longer quite part of the fandom, but my perspectives have changed quite a bit. Spike vs a Slayer is a lot better than Spike vs a helpless human, but it's still someone wanting to kill someone else just for the sheer fun of it.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 17 on February 04, 2018 11:00am Liked

And (sadly) there is the Giles that he became by S7.  all this civility was just a thin veneer covering Giles's lingering sense of manipulative self-righteousness. Likely he didn't really care what had happened to Spike, himself, only that it had happened and was interesting for its own sake. He likely only cared that Spike was involved insofar as he might be able to convince Spike to submit to a few experiments or some such rubbish. Aurelius had wanted to shake up the Watcher's worldview with those texts, but it didn't look like the tactic had worked just yet. Yes, Spike has the right of it there.

I'm glad Spike has his power and moxy back especially where Giles is concerned. For far too long he's had to take whatever crap Giles and Xander dealt out (and every other human). He's had to accept their lack of respect and decency even in the face of his actually being there to help. Now, without becoming evil, he has the upper hand. Good!

Buffy enters and the fun begins. Let's see how much moving on she has done.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:36pm

After seeing what Giles turned into, his betrayal of Buffy runs deeper than almost all the rest. He went from father figure to cold, remote "authority" all because he was too much of a coward to allow himself to care again. He abandoned Buffy and never really returned to her. It's a shame. But Spike is there to call him on his bullshit.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 16 on February 04, 2018 10:47am Liked

but so help him if Spike found out it had turned him human he was going to be right pissed off. Yes, he has NO desire to be human. He only went for the chalice because he could not let Angel win yet another thing. He still has so little faith in himself to believe that his will saved him. I'd guess he's not a vampire but also not human. 

Love the description of his transformation (and the will that did it in the previous chapter) and his confusion upon waking.

Oh, how splendid. So it was Buffy there at one point. Giles has his prophecies and will be looking at Spike as one of the good guys at least. 

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:33pm

Giles will be looking at Spike as an interesting specimen, let's be real here. :)

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 15 on February 04, 2018 10:36am Liked

In Spike's opinion, it mattered a bit more if you could actually strike, say, an effective blow against evil, as opposed to just flippin' two fingers and waving your arms about dramatically, while you claimed you were makin' a stand in the name of Christmas and puppies and whatnot. If you could maybe still be standin' afterwards, that'd be a nice bonus. Not to mention that W&H has multiple branches and Angel's hissy fit of an apocalypse would maybe take out ONE at best. It would also lead to all manner of destruction among the humans he was supposed to be helping (and kill his friends). That made me the angriest.  By the time he told them what was happening his friends had two choices only...watch from afar as Angel killed himself or fight at his side, likely dying, but helping the odds a tiny bit! Manipulative bastard!

Oh, this is a brilliant chapter in every way! The whole of NFA condensed beautifully. Spike facing his end only to finally reach that Will that the Immortal told him he still had and the hint of Buffy once he is safe all were just intense and so well written.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:32pm

Yeah, once I moved past the centuries of boring dialogue, the story picked up a fair bit, I think. Glad you liked it.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 14 on February 04, 2018 10:22am Liked

I am loving this whole scheme of the Immortal. Yes, he has multiple reasons for all he does (as well as amusement when possible). I think he sees in Spike someone who would be a worthy companion. It is interesting that he refers to what he has been hoping for as Pure Ones. That would imply more than one. I hold out hope that somehow Buffy would be another (maybe even Dawn given her origin as the Key). That's a lovely thought to hold.

you may consider me a friend of yours, if you like. I look forward to seeing what sort of being you will turn out to be, when all is said and done. I think he already covets Spike's friendship. They have minds that work in a similar way. Interesting that Illyria, still the arrogant Old One saw value in Spike but due to that arrogance only as a pet. The Immortal sees that value and, having shed much of his arrogance, perceives a friend and companion.

"You really do love to mess with the great git, don't you," remarked Spike. ... "It's terribly easy," Aurelius admitted, "and yet, it never grows boring." Something else they have in common.

He'll need to practice but I'm betting he'll get there. No one meets a challenge quite like Spike.

Excellent.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:30pm

So glad you like the Immortal. I had fun with him, even though I think the fic itself is mostly just dialogue and info dump. But yeah, he and Spike do have things in common.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 13 on February 04, 2018 10:07am Liked

 One can simply say almost anything, without thinking about it, but add rhyme and meter, and ah – now you have a challenge. Now you will exert yourself in order to express anything effectively – and in so doing, will discover yourself capable of expressing far more than mere speech possibly could. Beautiful and insightful explanation of poetry vs. prose. Love this very much.

 just as stupid to me as the religious humans – going on about something none of them had ever seen, fighting wars over their speculation on what was the truth, committing atrocities in the name of a benevolent deity. Likewise a lovely explanation of the difference between religious vs. spiritual. 

 "Rupert Giles deserves to have his tidy little worldview shaken up somewhat, for one. Imagine the look on his face when he realizes that he's not only found a 'lost' volume of Aurelian prophecies, but that the verses are clearly about a vampire whom he went out of his way to despise and disregard." And for this alone, I might just want to kiss the Immortal LOL.

He'd taught Buffy that the soul was all-important, then ignored the fact that Spike had willingly sought his out. ... Yeah. He could feel a smile rising inside him, too. Git deserved to get a smack upside the head, and doing it like this, academically, from a source he'd definitely respect? Spike's smile grew teeth. hearts

 

Brilliant.

Kathleen

I, too, watch OUAT and love CaptainSwan (adjusting to the new reboot) and so many other characters still none have grabbed me like Btvs and Spike for layers and possibilities.  Glad you still felt the pull of this verse too.

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:28pm

I'm no longer watching OUAT, actually, and I wrote this before I moved on to either the OUAT verse or the Loki fandom. I seem to be serially monogamous in the things I write about, even though I still have unanswered plot bunnies in the Buffy verse that I wish I could maybe sit down and write someday. Currently I seem to have almost completely moved on from Loki and am now looking at Merlin and Arthur for fun characters to play with.

Thanks for the compliments!

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 12 on February 04, 2018 09:52am Liked

Very true! Illyria called Angel "half-breed" and seemed to hold him in contempt for the most part. Spike was regarded with at least a bit of respect and affection. 

"You are the souled vampire," said the Immortal. "Liam has an exceptionally well-crafted facsimile, in his curse, but the witches who cursed him were just that. Witches, not gods. They could no more place a soul into an already-inhabited body than they could… tuck the moon into a pocket of their skirts." YES, Angel has a CURSE. It takes the form of a soul but it is a curse. That's a fine distinction but telling.

he is just as manipulative, and just as much a waste of my time, with his curse as without it. Remember also that he has made a bargain of some kind with Wolfram and Hart and is now trapped by it, and knows it. The redemption he claims to seek, he has nearly thrown away, repeatedly; not only that, his desire for redemption is itself a sham, because the curse he bears has compromised his free will. Consider what he wants, what he chooses to pursue every time the curse is lifted, compared to when it is in place. If your soul were somehow to be taken away, would you change so drastically? bravo

"Is that where this Pure One stuff came from?" asked Spike. "You got stoned on 'shrooms some twenty thousand years ago and came up with the idea for a cult?" hahaSuch a Spike reaction!

Lovely!

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:25pm

Yeah, can you tell I don't have much care or time for Angel? He annoys me.

So glad you're enjoying!

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 11 on February 04, 2018 09:41am Liked

"No," said Aurelius, "no, it doesn't. But the fact that you understand that, when your grandsire still hasn't figured it out despite his obsession with redemption, is very telling." Indeed it does. It speaks volumes about the differences between Spike and Angel.

 that horrible period between gaining his soul and being found by Buffy, once he'd made his way back to Sunnydale. The guilt, the terror when the voices and hallucinations and nightmares overtook him, the knowledge that he was utterly lost and beyond redemption and there was no one who would even care to look for him, much less rescue him… yeah, thought Spike. That was hell. It'd driven him insane after only a few short weeks. A chillingly accurate and insightful look at what was happening to Spike post soul. I think the part that drove him the maddest was knowing that no one DID care. Spike is a creature who craves love and acceptance and that had to be the worst feeling possible.

Sometimes I was even successful, briefly – but then the tremendously advanced tribe I had created would outstrip their learning and decimate their habitat, or prove a threat to so many other troupes that they would become outnumbered… whatever the scenario, they would either be destroyed or destroy themselves.  World history at a glance and I fear current events.

And the Immortal finally learned a bit of humility. No doubt the Powers might consider leaving him alone if they are aware of him there in hiding since he is evolving, improving. Maybe they see in him what he sees in Spike?

Utterly fascinating!

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:23pm

I don't know what else to say other than "thank you!", but at the same time I don't want to seem as if I'm just blowing off your terrific reviews. I really appreciate all your kind words!

As for the PTB and the Immortal, hmm. I hadn't thought about them. Interesting question.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 10 on February 04, 2018 09:26am Liked

 I chose instead to… to change. Sounds more than a bit like Spike there.

"when the time came to choose between destruction, exile, or imprisonment, I did as you might – I created another option." Oh yes, he knows Spike quite well. That is his greatest strength: the ability to adapt, to think of another way, a different option.

Funny but I was thinking of the Titans and the gods when he began to tell his origins. It also fits some Old Testament pre-flood stuff. Neat!  Joseph Campbell would love this.

Ooo so cool!  And now that you've learned how, you could do the same, with a little practice. This reminds me of the verse in the Bible (John 14:12) "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these,..."  Also, the story of Jesus walking on water and how he said they could do so as well.

I loved the image of the jar of crabs and the endless fighting too. In fact, that reminds me of one of the questions I had in Sunday School (and never got any answer that remotely made sense). If Angels (a species) are eternal and cannot be killed then what is the reason for the Biblical stories of them in combat with one another? Why the wars? It seems pointless by any definition. Yeah, I know it's a metaphor LOL (don't tell that to biblical literalists though).

In short, your mythology dovetails nicely with many already in existence for our real world origin stories. It makes for a believability factor that is amazing.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:19pm

Playing with mythology is fun. I didn't really deliberately reach for anything biblical, though I like the parallel that you've drawn. I'm glad you find it believable, or at least resonant. All good mythology resonates on some level.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 9 on February 04, 2018 09:05am Liked

I thought he was an Old One! I think he's telling the truth but can't blame Spike for his reaction.

If there was one thing William the Bloody absolutely hated, it was being treated like a gullible fool. The joke of the party. Yeah, that goes back to his human days of humiliation. 

Really loving this! 

Spike seems really in character throughout.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:16pm

Thanks! I'm glad you like his characterization. I worked pretty hard on it.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 8 on February 04, 2018 08:57am Liked

I love this mythology you've created! Nice mix of history, myth and the Buffyverse.

Shame to waste quality liquor like that, but whiskey was often kept for medicinal purposes, and Spike had just declared it medically necessary for him to be a lot less sober if he was to get through this conversation. Can't say that I blame him!

I can't help but imagine Rupert Giles being privy to this conversation. Yeah, I'd pay.

Oh, I like your head-canon.

Kathleen

 

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:15pm

I have fun trying to fit stories into my own worlds. Or maybe, trying to fit my world building into the stories that already exist.

Giles would faint if he were to have the opportunity to converse with the Immortal.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 7 on February 04, 2018 08:46am Liked

"Regardless of how he chooses to meet destruction, I would much prefer it if he did not take you with him." Well in that I'm in full agreement!

Interesting! Aurelius has stated he's not a vampire (and I tend to believe he's being honest with Spike in his story even if he is being obscure about some things for the moment) yet he claims to have created Nest or whatever his real name is. 

LOVE the name you've given to Darla! The irony is delicious.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:14pm

Yeah, I had fun with this one. I don't really remember where all this story came from anymore, to be honest, but I'm thrilled that you're enjoying it.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 6 on February 04, 2018 08:36am Liked

I always thought that NFA was a grand bid for one of two outcomes...suicide or the Shanshu. He was tired of the wait, of the path to redemption that was too hard for him to walk. One way or the other it would end. Of course, Angel took everyone else with him including a large chunk of Los Angeles. That's the sort of selfish decision he was making by that time though.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:13pm

Yeah, Angel was... not a great person, ever. I don't get why Joss or even SMG liked him so much and said he was the love of Buffy's life. He just wasn't that great. A tortured walking monument to manpain, sure. But other than that, did he really have all that much going for him?

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 5 on February 04, 2018 08:27am Liked

YAY, It is Aurelius! I had a feeling he was.

I'm finding this story of his fascinating. AND he has the good taste to see something special in our Spike too. It also adds to his image of wisdom that he doesn't like Angel much.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:12pm

Well, it helps that we readers have a strong bias toward Spike on this website... :)

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 4 on February 04, 2018 08:17am Liked

I've enjoyed it thus far. You started out with a literal bang then set up an intriguing bit of atmospherics as we are introduced to the main protagonist to join Spike in this tale. It's like laying a foundation for the tale to be told.

I find the Immortal fascinating. My mind speculates along with Spike. He could be an Old One himself...Lord knows Illyria took to Spike, why not another. He might be Aurelius himself.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:11pm

The thing about psychic readers is, they always leave me wondering if I'm just too predictable. You make some very good guesses here.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 3 on February 04, 2018 08:05am Liked

Must be the Immortal, that clue about predating Latin would seem to indicate that.

He certainly knows Angel! most likely at the local offices of Wolfram and Hart, being consoled and led about by his sense of self-importance, as easily and as blindly as always; or, possibly he is halfway across the city, still attempting to track down his prize. Less likely, but still possible, he might be at the piazza – either still or again – searching for you. Yup, that's him in S5 to a tee.. self-important and not too concerned about Spike's well being. 

Love the detail you put in as they prepare the absinthe. LOL Spike taking an extra sugar just to be a rebel.

I think it shows great intelligence that Spike is being cautious. There is almost always a price tag and with magic it is usually far too high, ask Willow.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:10pm

I'm enjoying the fact that I've clearly kept you guessing as to the identity of this person.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 2 on February 04, 2018 07:42am Liked

Okay, not the Immortal...the mystery increases. 

No Angel to be seen either. Makes me wonder if he wound up in pieces. Might save the lives of Wes and Charles and the sanity of Lorne (not to mention the life of Drogyn) if that's the case.

That's our Spike though, he rolls with the punches.

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:08pm

Angel did not wind up in pieces, alas. No, the rest of the episode more or less carries on as expected, just without Spike in it. Because I don't really give a damn about Angel.

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pfeifferpack commented on Chapter 1 on February 04, 2018 07:33am

 No clue how I missed this one but have a "new" one of yours to enjoy. LOL

I always thought there were so many serious undertones in this episode but it was all played off as pretty much a buddy comedy. Seemed fairly tone deaf on many levels. This story comes across far more serious and more believable. Looking forward to seeing where it goes.

My guess is the Immortal.

Excellent descriptions of the aftermath of the bomb and Spike's reaction to his kidnapping. He's no idiot nor does he have any desire to be dust again so soon. 

Kathleen

Author's Response on February 04, 2018 01:05pm

I have no idea how you missed it either! I woke up this morning to a pile of comments from you as a result. I hope you like it... I don't consider it one of my best, to be honest. It's dialogue heavy head-canon and not much else.

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relurker commented on Chapter 1 on September 12, 2016 12:47pm Liked

Wow, what a strange world have you created! A bit complicated, and that is the only critique I can make about it. 

It was incredibly intriguing and gripping, specially given the fact that it's basically one long, long conversation. Even more surprising when the very beginning of it is an action scene so well staged, with the textures and the noises and the pain.

I enjoyed this a lot, brava!

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Autumn2005 commented on Chapter 19 on December 03, 2015 08:39pm

Very interesting story, I really liked it. Your headcannon is pretty complex and I liked the roundabout way that you went about telling it. I feel pretty sad about Spike outliving Buffy, but in my headcannon Spike does something as the Pure One that she can stay with him.

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diebirchen commented on Chapter 19 on October 16, 2014 05:29pm

I did, indeed.

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diebirchen commented on Chapter 18 on October 16, 2014 05:08pm

ByVS fans all have "headcanon."

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diebirchen commented on Chapter 17 on October 16, 2014 04:24pm

"Control" is an illusion.

Author's Response on October 16, 2014 09:55am

There is no spoon. I get the feeling from your reviews that I'm in the Matrix. :)

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diebirchen commented on Chapter 15 on October 16, 2014 03:22pm

Lovely.

Author's Response on October 16, 2014 09:54am

Thank you. 

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