<I>“I was waffling about taking in a troubled young warlock who had dropped out of Watcher training.</I> Nice.
Huh, and I thought Willow would offer quite a bit more resistance.
<I> “The whole semester? But what about Glory? Buffy will need a witch.” / “She'll have one,” Tara whispered, lowering her gaze to the floor. “I'll be here.”</I> For example, figuring out Tara had been in on this before they got to Giles' home.
Not as obvious to Willow as it is to us. From her perspective, it looks like Tara picked up on the fact that the invitation was for Willow alone sooner than Willow herself did (what Giles and Althenea were saying and the fact that the invitation to go see Giles was for Willow, not both of them).
So Buffy around for centuries? It might just take her that long to admit how she feels about Spike! The talk with Willow went better than expected. She really is going to far with the magic.
But would we really want to wish centuries of putting up with Buffy on poor Spike? :P
A lot happened here, but I feel like it happened smoothly. Enjoyed the backstory between Althenea and Giles. The conversation between Spike and Buffy was interesting - my mind is chewing over possibilities for what they were discussing, but I'm happy to wait and find out :)
ETA: just wanted to add, since a few people have mentioned their confusion, that I did indeed get the cassie reference. You know, to even the scales and all ;) Further, and not related to anything in particular, I also wanted to say how wonderful it is to read a story like this that doesnt spell everything out, that makes the reader think and wonder, and allows for smaller arcs within the larger story. It's okay not to know what some conversations are about immediately, because I have confidence in your story telling ability and that we'll find out when we need to. So, thumbs up from me, keep up the good work <3
I'm not sure I can express how much I needed to hear that. Some of the recent reviews have really made me question if my entire approach to this story was wrong for my audience, too far out of the norm to be enjoyable. You've restored some of my wavering faith in Echoes. I can't thank you enough for such a kind and timely gift.
You're welcome. My advice is to enjoy your audience, but don't write *for* them. It's your story, you're in the driver's seat; we're just along for the ride and to gawp at the pretty scenery :)
Oh that went well. I hope. I fell like this could blow up in their faces any moment. Love the very disgized intervention.
I hadn't put it in quite those words (in my head or elsewhere) but 'disguised intervention' is a perfect description of what they just pulled. Now we just have to cross our fingers that it will work, because we've already seen that things don't always go according to plan... Thanks for the review!
I don't think I'm following all the implications with the PTB, either thats intentional or I'm stupid. Either is possible. I'm looking forward to more chapters to find out. Convincing Willow to go seemed remarkably easy. Too easy. She's like a dog with a bone, and right now her bone is Spike. I can't imagine her just dropping it to trot off. But maybe she's scared just enough to get worried. But that would mean admitting she has the potential to be wrong, which again, not Willowish. I'm crossing my fingers to see if she can do a bit of growing too. Thanks again for updating so quickly!
Bringing Giles' history into the conversation (that the Scoobies got a glimpse of back in The Dark Age) was definitely a scare tactic. But we don't yet know how effective it was. She's still considering the offer.
Basically, Althenea thinks -based on historical precendent- that Spike and Buffy are being considered for future PTB agent positions, and that it would likely involve Buffy as an immortal. That's her theory for why Whistler is hovering over them. But some parts of that scene, particularly after Althenea left the room, are things to which you haven't yet been given the context. So yea, I meant to confuse you. :) I'm evil that way.
Really hoping Willow will actually go with this, was expecting more resistance!
And I love a plot idea for allowing us to picture Buffy & Spike together eternally without her becoming a vampire! Although how flippant she is being about it with Spike is a bit frustrating ;)
Great chapter, as always. :)
We'll be getting to Willow's decision soon! Cross your fingers!
Wouldn't it be nice if Buffy just came out and said what she was thinking, and never screwed around about it? But then, I don't think we'd recognize her if she did. An unfortunate part of the Buffy package is that she avoids stuff. The good news? Eventually, stuff spills out, either by her choice or circumstances forcing her hand.
Glad you're still enjoying the journey, gill!
It's good that Willow is considering the training. A lot of things are changing, I feel we won't be following the 'cannon' events an awful lot from here on out - what will the consequences be?
Hmm... Another review I really can't answer without giving things away. We'll talk about this stuff later. ;)
Such an interesting story. Each chapter provides new plot revelations along with insights into characters and new ideas about the big, long-term picture. How much is set in motion years before; how much is fate; how much is free will. I really look forward to seeing where this goes.
Yes, yes, and yes. Exactly how is the proverbial wheel of time being spun? Natural course of events? Fate? People making decisions that have an impact on the big picture? Pure luck? Decisions that were made long ago, rippling against the wheel, forcing it into motion? Some combination of those things? I've always loved time travel stories. Writing one myself has been a very thought-provoking experience.
It was a lot of information Althenea brought with her. The big parts is of course, that Whistler may be trying to recruit Buffy and Spike, and the possibility of imortallity for Buffy. We can see that there's still some dancing around their feelings for Buffy and Spike. Well, old issues die hard. It seems like thecWillow situation went well. Willow is much for learning, so it was good of them to use that. She should have had a teacher a long time a go. It didn't make sense why Giles never even mentioned that in the show. The only reason I could think about is that Giles didn't want to be reminded of his past, and that's a weak reason.
You nailed it, magnus. I should start referring people to your reviews if they have questions. You aren't making any unwarranted assumptions, and are catching pretty much all of the big points. "Maybe" trying to recruit them. "Possibility" of immortality. "Some" dancing around of feelings. Yes, yes, and yes!
As for the Willow situation, I totally agree. She's still nerdy loves-to-learn girl, and it was smart of Giles to think of taking that approach. It was also rather stupid of him to not think of the entire idea all on his own, without time travelers getting it started... or any need for time travelers at all.
Go back in canon in your head for a minute. Season 2: We find out Giles has a history with out of control dark magics (The Dark Age) and Willow starts fiddling around magic, going big very early on with the soul curse. Logically, he should have at least been biting his lip and watching her closely by season 3. Nope. Nothing. Season 4: She nearly gets the gang killed and makes Giles himself blind because she did a big spell for selfish reasons (Something Blue). Giant tip off that she's out of control, and heading down a dangerous road Giles himself knows well. Does he call the coven or make some other attempt to intervene? Nope. By the beginning of season 5, she's accidentally causing freakin' thunderstorms (maybe. we don't know how much of that was Dracula). She should have been in or have already gone through some training long before she reached that point. Giles is just as guilty of 'head in the sand' and 'ignore the problems until they go away' attitudes as the younger Scoobies are. The result? His neglect of the obvious and growing 'Willow and uncontrolled magic' problem makes him partially responsible for Willow nearly ending the world... Twice. He knew better. He should have done something about it, long before he found himself chewing her out in Buffy's kitchen in early season six.
Thank you I like to making guesses and in some lines show that I got the important things when I review. Knowing that the writer answers them also makes me want to make better reviews. Since I always review I do have trouble sometimes with figuring out new things to say, at least for some stories. Since english isn't my first language, I tend to use the same words and phrases a lot.
Giles not trying to train Willow is one of those things that doesn't make any sense at all. The only one I could think about is the one I mentioned before, and that's not much of a reason. I guess it's one of several things we are not ment to think about. The original writers probably never thought that people would think this much about what they wrote
I'm a bit confused at what exactly the conversation was about between Spike and Buffy after Athena spoke with them. Just like at the end of chapter 12(?) When Spike said, "Is that what you mean Cassie?" Or something to that effect...who is Cassie?
Otherwise, I love this story. I'm glad they are giving Willow the choice to get training. Hopefully by this point she isn't so arrogant as to believe she doesn't need it even after all they said to her.
Cassie was the prescient girl in 'Help' (season 7) who told Spike, "Someday she'll tell you."
The kitchen scene in this chapter includes a conversation to which the audience has not yet been given the context. You aren't expected to understand it all at this point.
Ok. I was wondering if I was just missing something
I'm a bit confused as to what Buffy & Spike are talking about, that she researched? Maybe I'm supposd to be confused. I like where this is going, though. I love the idea of Buffy being immortal.
You're supposed to be confused. It will make sense later. That's all I can say for right now. :)
I don't think I am understanding something in Buffy and Spike's relationship storyline. It seems one minute they are together and the next they are not. In this chapter I am confused about why she pulled back from spike. Or I misunderstood the chapter entirely since I am reading it at 2 am. Am I misunderstanding?
Pulled back in what way? Where are you getting the vibe they aren't together? I'm not being confrontational. I need to know, so I can edit and/or clarify if something's wonky.
If your confusion is centered around the vague references in the kitchen scene, don't worry about it. You haven't been given the context of that conversation yet.
Well that wasn't a no but it wasn't a yes. I hope Willow takes it but I'm worried she might see it as some plot.
At least she's considering going in for training. That's already a step up from canon! :)